durbin says, they are helping to drive the deficit. you've got to see, how do you get that under control? what kinds of changes -- you know, don't eliminate those programs, but is there a way to reform them? there has to be give on both sides. and so far, both parties are saying, you know, "compromise means you giving up. you know, and we're going to stand firm." you know, even the president - the president went on television and he said, "we have to work together. we have to compromise." and he then described how the people ought to put pressure on their members of congress to support his plan. and so -- which was not a compromising way to do it. you know, i wish i were more confident, but, you know, i don't have high hopes for the people that we have in washington today. >> when you were in congress, did you have to sign the pledge never to raise taxes? >> the only pledge -- yeah, i signed a pledge. i signed a pledge to, you know, to follow the constitution. bill, i thought -- >> you mean your oath of office? >> yeah! i thought that